Reclaiming Your Power: Mindfulness and Energy Flow with Tsao-Lin Moy

All right, hello, everyone. Welcome to The Midlife Rewrite. I'm Carlos Salteris, and I have a very special guest today, a long time friend and was my instructor at acupuncture school. But she is a she is a gold mine of knowledge. She is a fertility expert. She is an alternative and Chinese medicine practitioner. She has been on many platforms, the Doctor Oz show. She's well published. She has many books out on women's health, so you are in the right place if you want to learn about fertility, pelvic floor, anti aging, menopause, stress, anxiety. I mean, we have it all here, and we're talking about the body, mind and the soul. Tsao is, you know, a very dear person to me. We actually studied with Kiko Matsumoto together. Went to Japan together. She was She taught me acupuncture. And I'm so thrilled to what you know. Introduce Joe. Lynn Roy, welcome to the show, Tsao.

Tsao-Lin Moy: Thank you, Carla. I'm excited. I'm very excited. I'm excited to connect. And you know, we're at this stage of our life where there's a lot of relevance in in what you're you know, this the topic of women, and especially now or always, but really in the minds and much more in the forefront of people's consciousness, right?

Yes, and so I just want to, like, kick off the conversation. You know, many midlife women, they're feeling disconnected from their bodies after years of stress putting others first. How does Chinese medicine help women realign with their physical and energetic well being? And what simple practices can our listeners start with today? Okay,

Tsao-Lin Moy: so Chinese medicine is actually it's not just medicine. It's a way of of life, right? And it has eight branches. So we've got the branch of acupuncture, herbal medicine and body work, and that's something that a practitioner does with, you know, with you, for for you. And then we have food medicine, we have exercise mindfulness, we've got feng shui, which is like the art and science of placement, like your environment. And then we also have the part, that's the cosmology, your Zodiac. So those are like the things that you come into this world, you know, from the heavens and from the universe and from your parents, kind of their genetic contribution. And but the the parts that are in the middle, which are the food, medicine, the exercise, the mindfulness, creating your environment, those are, are the practices that the individual needs to cultivate. And so, if we we look at, you know, women traditionally put everyone else first. They may stay in a job, they don't like they don't nourish themselves. You know, everybody comes first. And so looking at the umbrella of Chinese medicine, which is based on Taoist practices of like the you know, looking at the the laws of the universe and being in the flow, and about dynamic balance, which is that yin and yang balance, that having like, understanding from that perspective, experiencing within themselves, right, being able to experience how to create that balance for themselves is like, then they can actually heal and transform. So with, you know, when I'm working with women, depending on where they are, you know, the there's this goal, I want to get pregnant, or I want this pain to stop, but what needs to happen is a bigger piece, which is when your body is in balance. We talk about dynamic balance, then you can heal. And that perspective is also Western homeostasis, which is not static, but actually has movement. And so the practices in Chinese medicine are really to continually cultivate that, to help the the person to be in the the maximum place of health, mind, body, spirit and calls, you know, soul. Because when we have that, then we're in our purpose. But if we're always being nagged by the back pain, the knee pain, the worrying, then we're kind of stuck at a different vibrational level. And so those like looking at the mindset, which we call the mindset of of Chinese medicine, is this holistic perspective. Where every part of your life is important to cultivate and to move forward. So it's really hard when you're in pain to meditate, right? It's very difficult to sleep when you're in pain. You know to and so you have to look at like I need to address many different things to be into that place where having enough balance to then the body heals, and then can move forward, let then can, you know, go forward. What

do you think? I love? Love that, and just want to, like, put in as I think that women or people in general, it's like we're now starting to embrace idea we are energy. Can you talk a little bit like all of that is like chi flow? What is the saying? Like, where attention goes? Chi flows, like where you put your focus? So as you know someone that works, you know with people showing them. It's like when you have that back pain, simply breathing into that back pain, no you actually can empower yourself to have movement, you know, and the different exercises and the different consciousness that you bring to you say, you know, a back pain situation or becoming pregnant, you know, it's like I never understood the allowing of a letting my energy flow and breath work. You You know, can you talk a little bit about, you know, what you find daily practices that, like are just simple but real effective?

Tsao-Lin Moy: Well, you know, I would say interesting. I was thinking about this thing because every morning I do breathing right? And because, if you know, just being quiet, quieting your mind, it's, it's not, it's, it's actually, you know, being quiet is a practice, so it is an activity. Inactivity is an activity, and so breath work is a really easy way to you know, it's a kind of a moving meditation where you're conscious about your inhales and slowing your exhales. And they know that when you inhale and slowly exhale, you actually help to shift the nervous system. And interestingly enough, people, when they're stressed, they hold their breath,

yes, like all up here, like a little bunny rabbit, and we don't just hold

Tsao-Lin Moy: their breath, you know. And you get into the subway in New York and you're like, you know, and all of a sudden, you realize me, second I've been holding my breath, I better. And that's that, like, tight diaphragm, yeah. But also it's let, because there is almost a, you know, the body is trying to, like, slow down that, you know, nervous system that is, you know, going into the fight or flight. And so your question is, what can we do right now? Is to breathe that's at mind. You know, mindfulness is really being conscious about what am I inhaling and I'm exhaling, right? And the breath is also the oxygen, it's the Chi, it's the flow. It then goes into our bloodstream and then circulates out into our tissue. We are energy. We are. It's actually, you know, one of the questions, a question is, we're all just made up of, like, little particle molecules, right? We could, like, and then, but how is it those molecules kind of like came together into this form, right now, right because technically we're, you know, became like little, you know, little pieces, you know, like Legos, that are fitting together, initially undifferentiated, but then at some point they All kind of accumulate together, like they come together in a way, which is, I believe that We willed ourself into being, so to speak, you know, to be whatever we like, some energy form That, then, is that intention or will to exist in a form that then comes together, right? So we are like energy that is pulled together mass. So we are actually our physical or spiritual beings and physical bodies, right? And so recognizing that we we in our body as a container for our energy, having practices that maintain or keep this container in a healthy state is what enables our energy to flow right and. Have that. And so that's what I would say, like, and recognizing, how can we do that? Just, you know, breathing in and out the difference of before you're born and after you're born is, of course, that we breathe in oxygen right before that we we didn't. And

I would say that in that breathing, what I've noticed as I get older is like, how do I want to feel? I want to feel good. So using just the idea of like, How can I find a little relief no matter what we're going through in life, it's like, if you have that breath practice and that being still and then just like, like, reaching for a better thought, reaching for like, how you want things to be, you know, like, and just trusting that you will It will come. It's like allowing. You know that Yin energy, allowing is when you can master that and just go, Oh, I'm resisting if you have that stuck diaphragm. And you start just, just simply in and out, breath and focusing. It's that flow. We want to be in the flow, you know, and relax, and then it's like things just start happening in a positive manner. And the same way, if you constrict, like you said, it's like, you get on the subway and you're like, and you stay that way, you're going to get neck pain, you're going to maybe be like, a little afraid looking around, you know, it's like, so it can be really beneficial just to stop and pause. I love what you said. Like, just get present, you know, yeah. So most of the time you get, you'll get a message that something's wrong. When you're like, Oh my God, I've got, like, what's happening, your body's sending you a signal, hey, you know, like and to not ignore it in the way that we ignore it. It's one thing I'm gonna fix it, but also connecting to like, Oh,

Tsao-Lin Moy: this is something that is like, it's, it's information being sent back to me that to maybe slow down, right, and to really, you know, not just really pause, but like re examine a little bit about the activities. And I think you know, when you were practicing or practice, that there's, there's always that person who comes in and they've injured themselves from doing some really hard exercise, and they're they they in like they injured based on what they were doing and what they believed was healthy. And so they want to get back to going back to the gym, to dead lifting, and it's like, but that's wasn't that was the thing that injured you. So right before you got injured, was your weakest moment, not your strongest moment.

Just going all in doesn't mean it's going to be good for you. Like, that's the Yes, yes, bring it back to center there, right? But

Tsao-Lin Moy: it's the kind of, well, I was okay before, and it's like, you're before the tire blows out, the tread is so thin. And you're like, oh, I want to get back to the point before my tire blew out. You're like, actually, that was the moment, the breaking moment you want, you really want to go further back than that, right? Yeah. And that's just kind of, like the the idea of understand, like, the the whole picture, and not kind of pick and choose which things, you know, in someone's own very healthy I do this, I do that, and you're like, the energy around all of those I'm doing, I'm doing, I'm doing, and it's not necessarily cohesive, right, running to the next to the next. And I find that most people it's true what you do, how you do anything, is how you do everything. So stressing out in a workout, stressing out to get things done is, is stressing and

counterproductive to your health? Like you're really trying to relax more. Get in that flow. Get in that you know, good feeling place. Like, I think really, if you follow things that feel good, because it's not a one cookie cutter thing where it's like crossfits for everyone, or, you know, whatever it is, it's like when you build up maybe the foundation of like, your strength and your health, and then you just are aware of how you're feeling and if it feels good, and if you know, Then you keep taking it incrementally to the next step, instead of like, the Western or like, go for it. And then it's like, oh, I just like, really hurt my elbow. I don't know what that now. I can't use my arm like we're in midlife. So we have to be a little more gentle with ourselves and aware in our body. And. Gentle with ourselves mentally, you know, I think,

Tsao-Lin Moy: Well, oftentimes I will use the car like, Are you a jalopy? Are you one of those cars that's on, you know, like cement blocks, you know, in law? Or are you, are you one of those, you know, very high performance cars that, or antique cars that need lots of, you know, like, careful, you know, you don't let things go, right? So the high performance cars, those ones that they, you know, they have in Formula One, they're constantly tweaking in the shop, you know, making sure everything is balanced. Because if you really want to perform at your best, that everything has to be like working together, and not to say that you're gonna, you know, you need to run marathons every month. It's really a matter. And I actually don't think that's a great thing. Some people like to do it. I think you, you know there's downside to that too. Is, uh, the idea around that is you performing at your best, not comparing to somebody else. That's big, yeah, and then and like, understand, and that's when you know your your body, and not its limits, but, like, actually, the areas where you that are gonna improve yourself in the way to your best, to your your personal best. And I think that the challenge is always, and we see it in social media. You know, this person is, you know, weight lifting, they do this, they do that, and it's we, I mean, we don't know what their life is really like, right? But, yeah,

compare yourself to everybody else out there. Like it's about feeling into you. And, you know, and I think that goes for a lot of things, whether you're trying to get pregnant or whatever it's like, really not caring what anybody else thinks. And that we're at midlife, it's actually become a lot easier to do that. I find, you know,

Tsao-Lin Moy: yeah, it's definitely something where you do, you listen to what someone's saying and you're like, I don't think they don't think that's true. Like, I don't, I don't quite believe that. You know, I want to believe it. I might want to believe it, but there's much more, I guess, discernment, you know, and and when that happens is really like, trusting your that you do know. And I think you know, getting back to, like, women and women's health, women are have for soul. And this is, like, culturally, kind of like, Oh, you don't know. You're you're not an expert.

Listen to the doctor, because your symptoms aren't real. They

Tsao-Lin Moy: aren't real or, you know, and when, when it comes down to it, yeah, there's statistics, but those are also about other people, and you have to look at, well, what do I have in common with them. Yes, I'm a human being. But other than that, you know, genetics, upbringing, lifestyle, that we have our own individual experience. And if someone is again looking at us, like to just push to squeeze us into a cookie cutter, you know, to kind of try to make it fit, then it doesn't fit. You know, it's like, those buying those shoes that you like because they look good, but they got the pointy toes and they're like, killing your feet. I like that. We don't do that anymore. You don't hurt.

No, no. You figured that that's not working. Yeah, and I love what you're talking about, because the it's when you tap into getting quiet and start really feeling in your body and even your thoughts you you are actually channeling. Some people have this like, that's a woo, woo word. But, you know, we are spiritual beings. It is flowing. The chi is flowing through us. And I, you know, whatever you want to call the universe God, it's it's working through you. And when you harness that, it's so empowering and so peaceful, and you can move forward in all different areas of your life, especially with your health as like the if we take care of our body and we want to live a long life, you start chiming in, and you might be like, Oh, wow. I I've never thought about herbal medicine before. Now that I'm getting older, it's you. You know, some I can add that on with my food, and I can start learning. And you know what I start what I'm enjoying, what foods do I enjoy, and how they, you know, strengthen us and take us to a long life. I want to live to 100 I don't know about you all, but I mean, hell, in a good in a good body and a good body, but you have to do it now.

Tsao-Lin Moy: Well, yeah, it is totally, and this is like something, I think, you know, when you get to a certain age, it's definitely after 30, right, because your frontal lobe develops, or, you know, some that you you see your parents aging, and then all of a sudden, you're like, Whoa, wait a second. I'm in this place where I can look back where they were around my age and the choices that they were making about their health or what they were doing, and now I can see the result, which is not great, right? Or that you know, you could be pleading with them stop drinking, or you need to exercise, you don't stop eating that stuff, you know, right? But where they are now as a result of the decisions that they made at the age that we are. And so becoming aware of like no the the change, the out, that's the outcome. The change is now to have a better outcome, not when I'm older. I'll do it's I need to do now. And you know what you said about, you know, food. So we can do for we can, you know, start a mindfulness, you know, breathing. We breathe every day. Anyway we, I mean, we have no choice. We're breathing. So we can do something where, like, oh, I can regulate my breathing, you know, consciously breathing in and out and and awareness of that, and focus on that, and it'll help quiet the mind. And I can recognize, you know, what I'm feeling in my body. When I do that, you could feel like a little nervous or a little tension, or a little weird, or, or, or start to, you know, really notice how you are in your body, right? And then the other thing too, what else can you do? Is shift the food stuff? Because usually it's uncon like, not conscious, I'm just gonna grab I need to eat something,

or cultural. What'd you grow up on? It's like, yeah, that's also generally what you have to continue eating, right? Yeah.

Tsao-Lin Moy: But you know, and there's this default, what I see is like people often there are certain phases that they will default to, and even though they kind of quote, know better, because they can consciously say, Oh, I know I should be doing this and I should be doing that, but the fact that they're not making any moves towards it, it shows that there's that, you know, disconnect, right? And that there's that other pattern running, and unless they get a hold of it. And this, you know, comes back to oftentimes, women are are, you know, told you know they don't know anything. Or they believe, you know they've been they believe and they believe it, or so they have to recognize within themselves like that's not true, because otherwise they'll be, yeah, I want this. I'm going to do it. But that what holds them back is that they're still attached to taking care of other people or putting someone else first, or, you know, waiting to be saved. You

know that's I was going to say, and that's that listening outside of yourself, the doctor knows best. Now, of course, you know, I'm not downplaying doctors and professionals. However, if someone says something and it rings really false, like in your gut, in your intuition, red bells, maybe go get a second opinion just out of that, trusting your intuition, trusting your inner guidance, you can't go wrong. I mean, we are. I like to, I like to say we're like animals, and it keeps it really simple. If you watch animals, you can learn a lot because they don't have this conflicting they trust their gut. They just go, they move forward. So I love what you're talking about, Joe,

Tsao-Lin Moy: trust their gut. So there's a funny, there's like, a funny thing around that, which I will say is that you know, doctors do know. More than you do, but they don't necessarily know more about you than you do. Yes, and it's important to if something doesn't quite resonate, and oftentimes it could be like the practitioner how they're presenting the information, and you're like, I don't know. Like, you know they're taught to just standard. This is what we do, because that's a particular, I guess, like a funnel or a structure, but we don't really fit 100% into it, maybe part of it. But the caution that I would say about is that there are some patients or people that will search for a practitioner that will tell them what they want to hear and not tell them, like, not be truthful, you know. Or, or just like, Yeah, this person says, I don't have to, you know, I can, you know that I can do a continue to do what I'm doing and, and it's really like ignoring the, you know, what is going to help them? Dangerous, yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah. And what, what's at play under there. It has nothing to do with their health. It has more to do with their, you know, being heard or accepted or right? So those are the things that so it's not about their illness, it's about something else. You know that they're that and that is taking a priority for them internally. Then what's you know, like, Hey, this is urgent. You need to do something here, and they can, in a way, are continuing to ignore, to not, you know, take the steps that they need to take.

Yeah, I'm going to follow up with this question, because yeah, in the middle of this conversation. But I want to see what else you want to add to this. You know, in your practice, how do you encourage women to release societal or self imposed, imposed limitations and step into a freer, more authentic version of themselves, considering the current societal climate around women's health care and bodily autonomy, this is happening right now, and I want to get your feedback on, you know what you're seeing in your practice, having, you know women come in with fertility and the reproductive freedom movement, and you know, what would you say to women about that? And given the context, what we're talking about empowering yourself,

Tsao-Lin Moy: I can say a lot like, All right, okay, so number one with our famous supervisor, clinical D, clinical hats, a Roth is a God. They are not it. And and I love that. I go like, they don't know, miracles happen so and I'll tell, you, know, say to women, what? Why are they? You know, they're giving you statistics and stuff like that, that it's just doesn't help. That they're throwing set. It's, it's not useful. And unfortunately, I'd say, when you know women come to see me, they've really, you know, it's at the end where they're like, Okay, maybe I can try something else. They're like, kind of coming up for air, or, I think that they're finally willing to go outside of the norm of society, right? So already they're doing the search, and so they're recognizing something's not right, and that's kind of that moment that they're beginning to trust their instinct of I need to do more, even if they're going to do IVF or even if they're, you know that there's something that's saying, like, I don't feel like this is going to be everything, and I need to take care of myself in a different way. So women's, I mean, what we see now in women's health, health and health care is still based on really old paradigms of women being hysterical, women being emotional. What did they do? Give them hysterectomies, put them into mental institutions. What do we do now? We give them birth control for their raging hormones and lots of antidepressants and anxiety medication. So the tools have kind of. Evolved in a way, but the way of addressing women has not changed. It's just to become, you know, more facile, but based on the premise. And I think women need to, like, take a look at this, because we're still being kind of, like, fed. The same story, right? It's the same story, and we as females hold the power of creation, because we have a uterus, right? We, and scientifically, they, know that the lining of the uterus, the stem cells actually have different properties of creation, of holding a baby, than any other stem cells in our body. This is very powerful, right? And as why would you treat the person, the females that are going to that actually carry the human race so poorly. Like, why? Why would you do that? Why would you suppress them, stress them? You know, when they and combine together? You know, women together actually are very like create and they are what maintain society. They're the ones that do all the invisible work. They're the ones that care for the young. They're the ones that are the, you know, Doctor moms, that are at home. They're the ones that are absorbing all the stress around them and making things happen with with less, you know, and so to just really for women, to not put themselves down, but to actually recognizing that they have this incredible power within them. And when it comes to fertility, there's so much intervention that, like, everybody's got to get in there. We got to get a team. We've got the the RE gynecologist. We got, like, you know, everyone there, the scope, everyone's got to look inside there. You think about it, it's, it's like, what's happened is, it kind of seems like there's more and more people you know, get in your businesses,

all up in my business, all of my business,

Tsao-Lin Moy: because obviously they don't understand that there's a whole natural order of the universe, of how life, you know, comes about. And it's, you know, I think back to, you know, the Frankenstein monster, right? Yeah, the Mary Shelley. And really looking at the idea that man, a man, could create life humans. And that was really like with science, is very controversial over the idea of, you know, God and spirit and the church, but really this aspect of kind of forsaking, well, you know, God Spirit, right, that you have this kind of arrogance that you can, you know, conjure a human and in a, in a, in a way, I sometimes feel like this whole thing of, you know, reproductive, you know, all of, like, the fertility crisis, the kind of all of this science having to get involved is, is kind of a we look at it is, like, it's the ego. There's like, there's some in a big umbrella ego of, oh, we can make a better human than nature. And this is not to say that we don't need help. It's not a matter of assistance. There's a point of where there's assistance and then there's like, Okay, we need to measure every general and we've got to, you know, determine you know this and that and and regardless of the what would be the natural order? Let's say natural order in terms of allowing the, you know what, what is really going to come want to come together. We're interfering at certain levels. We do interfere. But when I look at that, nature is not going to really allow interference, right? Because, if it's so, it's a kind of a like a funny there's a like a double, I would say, double edged sword, where, even though we're stretching, possibly. Ability, you know, in terms of, yes, we can do these things, if we didn't have them, then the probability of of having that would have would be lower. So it's, in a way, it's not outside of nature, because I believe that if it is, it won't happen, like you can't force you can't force nature. It's just kind of really stretching it in a way that then becomes like, okay, what are, you know, what are we doing? But what I see is there's, like, a lot of, there's a little bit of that ego thing in there about like, well, you know, we can come in and we're we, we know how to make babies better than a woman's body? Yeah, we have the answers, right? This is how it should be, and again, bypassing or taking, taking that power that we have. But what I want to say is that women give it up if they believe that,

yes, that's huge, that it's, you know, I think as we get older, you start to realize how you really let other people trigger you run you societal with The healthcare system and but once you realize, like no one can make me and I can be gentle with myself and really allow myself to come to my own conclusions and wait for the you know, I get whenever I am sitting with something, it might come throughout the day. I might have a question in the in the morning that I want to answer to. I ask spirit to give me, like a Twitch, and I will have a thought. And like, have twitch in my somewhere, usually in my foot, or it's like, that is a that just something that I developed that rings true. Like, thank you. Like, I have an inner guidance, whether the thoughts can be running and sometimes, you know, we're multitasking, but when you kind of sit with yourself and decide that you do have your own answers, and you can take all the information, and it's really powerful,

Tsao-Lin Moy: you know definitely. And so what I really want to say, okay, so what I also want to say is, I'm not against IVF, I'm not against I think women still, they just don't. They need to stay in their power. And when they decide to do it that they do it because they're deciding it not because, oh, my God, what will happen if I don't do it? But really, to go, I'm making this decision because, just like we, you know, I don't want to be 10 years out and wish that I did. And so I rather that I do it now and regret it than not do it and regret it. Right? It's kind of a to do to make that, to be able to see enough and make the choice you know for yourself, as opposed to someone scaring you, and that I see a lot more of you know, the younger women Being scared into what happens, and I better do. And really it's the first part of once you have the eggs out of your or the follicles out, that's the first step before IVF. So you can't really put them back in when they go back, right? And so just recognizing that that is, you know, it's, it's an opportunity for, you know, for one thing, and on the same time that you're, you're also creating something else later on to be like, Oh, will I do I want to not use those follicles or, you know, so it's, it seems like, Oh, I'm just going to put it on the side, but basically it's, it's kind of like spanning an IVF cycle out over, you know, five or 10 years. So it's, it's also to be recognized, like, I will be okay with that. Like that is, I'll have to have that conversation with my younger self later on. But this is the decision that I'm making. To really weigh it more than just I need to bank

it's amazing we have the technology, you know. But I when I'm when I was listening to you about that, I kept hearing Randy Lewis, who's, you know, randin with fertility, and how the mind really plays a big part. And, you know, I know there's, I know there's lot of. Things going on. I've had friends that couldn't get pregnant, did IVF, and then once they stopped or they gave up, it was like, it all got released and they got pregnant. It was like, There's something in the allowing. I think that's wonderful. If I was a younger self, I might put my eggs on the side too. But then also, I mean, I don't know how I would do it differently, but trusting nature and trusting yourself, when you really just surrender you're it's like you're open, you're allowing the possibility and it, I mean, the body is amazing, so just because it didn't happen before. When you let go of the worry and the stress and the holding like, Oh God, I have to have this, it just boom, happens. It happens over and over. I've seen it now you you know more about that, but I've, I've seen, I just heard so many stories that that's like, what there is the there is that definitely allowing, and when I've seen it, it's been and it can be just this tiny window of letting go of something so it, you know, my practice, I have a lot of, like, professional women, you know, everybody's Ivy League and professional and like, high, you know, high performance, and,

Tsao-Lin Moy: um, and especially, let's say, a woman who's in a, you know, a lawyer, and they, they're gonna, you know, they gotta work the hours to become a partner. And so they've got the two things going on their stress level, because they gotta keep making the, you know, billable hours, and then, but then they want the baby, and it's, it's almost this moment where they kind of go, like, I don't know, partner, like, maybe, maybe it's not that great a thing, you know, like, the moment that they go, They're, almost willing to be like, you know, what? This other thing is a bigger deal, and in a way, that's when they're making the choice for themselves to be like, I really want like, this is an important thing. I need to put myself further. It could be even a like, a, you know, a pondering of, like, Huh, well, you know, like, what if, like, what if I, you know, changed my department, or if I just said, Look, I need to take a leave of absence, or something like, like, just that much of pushing off the pressure can make A difference. Of, like, shifting their priority, like very you know, just enough to then unhook that, whatever you could call it the news or the weight or the ball, and whatever that is that's dragging them, kind of like, in one direction to be like, Oh, I could. I don't have to do that. I could try something else, even if they decide they wouldn't, it's just being open to that. And that can shift. That's the shift.

It is all energy. It is all energy. So if you're holding and you know, I mean, I just see it now, it's all energy, if you can start thinking in terms of, like, decisions, you know, is it flowing in the direction that you want?

Tsao-Lin Moy: Yeah, it's very esoteric, Carla, but I love it again. We, you know, we're, I don't know, we're kind of like tuning forks, right? Like our energy is contained. We're in this container or and so we have to kind of pay attention to the messages, of course, and you know, use that as you know, somewhat of like a guide, of like, Huh? Does this feel good, but in clarity, you know, like a clear, a clear, does this feel? When is it good? Like, right? Okay, this is yes. It's like a hell yes, not a hell yes. It's either a hell yes or it's a hell no. That's right, that's right, yeah,

well, I love I really enjoyed our conversation, and it was like, really fun. I know that you have a special gift for the listeners. Can you talk a little bit about what you're sharing? So

Tsao-Lin Moy: the the book that I wrote is, Will I ever get pregnant? The Smart Woman's Guide for getting pregnant naturally over 40, there's the like a free chapter, which I think is appropriate no matter what. And it's a chapter on perfection.

Oh, my God, I let her sucker open. I kind of Yeah,

Tsao-Lin Moy: to look at that. And then I mean, I also have, I have to be putting. Out again, usually there's like, a, I make a quiz from my link tree and for the Zodiac that's coming up. Oh, awesome, yeah, to kind of look at, you know, the Zodiac of what, what are we looking forward to this year, the elements and overall, Chinese Zodiac overall, right? Because that's part of Chinese medicine, the the cosmology part. But this is a simple overview. It's not the, you know, the the complexity of of how complex that the Zodiac can be, but just like an over kind of an overview, super useful,

and how to channel that energy health stuff. Yeah,

Tsao-Lin Moy: yeah, to do it, you know, based on, like health things, you know what to look for, based on your kind of on your sign, as we all have those influences that to take into consideration, since we come from the stars, yes, like that, we are, you know, star material that we will be affected by it. Yeah, we have to know what is our kryptonite.

That is awesome. Yes, I want to know what my kryptonite is for this year all the time.

if you have that link, people will be listening to this years, I hope, years to come. So it won't just be next year. So

Tsao-Lin Moy: yeah, for years to come, get the link every, any time

that you're listening to this, make sure that you check out the current year. And what is happening, you know,

Tsao-Lin Moy: yeah, you are, you know, yeah. And I think different energy happens. And interestingly, I haven't done it this year for just kind of like looking at the political, the politics interestingly, you know, both Kamala and Tim waltz were dragons.

They were both, wow, wood

Tsao-Lin Moy: dragons. And so I need to look at the dynamics, you know, so you start to look at the dynamics. And then I, you know, I'd also, I know, in some other podcasts, I kind of chatted about, you know, Biden being a water horse and Kamala Harris being a wood dragon. And, you know how water feeds wood, yeah, like, so it's like an interesting dynamic of support, you know, through the the five elements, yeah and yeah. So I need to go and do for, you know, Trump advance. Just kind of take an overview of like, oh, okay, let's see what you know. How that is going to influence or not influence, right? Yes, you start to see

like, yeah. Or if you're in a relationship, you can do year two, a little bit yeah, a little bit, a little bit yeah.

Tsao-Lin Moy: There's some interesting things with your child. That's yeah, compatibility. Well, both my husband and daughter are horses.

My husband's a horse too. Okay, you're a pig. Oh, that's a great metal pig.

Tsao-Lin Moy: What's that metal pig? Oh, golden pig. That's great. Yeah. That's a Yeah, yeah. Always very lucky. They're always very lucky.

Why am I golden? Because metal, that's the element of metal. Oh, so you would say golden, if they're amazing. Golden for metal, yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah. Embrace that golden pig. I like that. Well, thank you very much, Tsao for joining. And we learned so much. And you know, please check out Joe's wonderful gift if you're looking to get pregnant. She This is the gold that you are after. And we have so much to continue talking about. But thank you Tsao for joining today.

Tsao-Lin Moy: Oh, thank you so much. Carla, thank you.

Take care. We'll see you guys in the next episode.